Hvorfor drar norske kvinner til Tyrkia for å skaffe seg type?

[Gjest Gjest]

Nei, alle horene i Pattaya er heller ikke like, da særlig hvis pengene sitter like løst som deres komplimenter, slik at man tar seg en tur til den samme bedritne baren neste kveld, og kvelden der etter igjen osv.

Dette er bedre kjent som Monkey-bissniss, det finnes over hele kloden og lett-matrosene går på limpinnen hver eneste gang... slår aldri feil.

Det som gjør dette verre for kvinner er at det delvis enda er tabu og man ikke vil snakke åpenlsyt om det, noe som fører til at flere av dere havner i uløkka på en eller annen måte.

[I Grosny]

Kan noen i helvete forklare meg hvorfor?

Fordi de er late. Det er mer tak i ekte mannfolk, som reiser dobbelt så langt, helt til Thailand.

[Gjest Filleproletiet]

Ja, klart alle tyrkiske menn er like, akkurat som alle nordmenn er det! Så bra at det fins så mange norske menn som er eksperter på hvordan de tyrkiske er, for da er det jo opplest og vedtatt: Norske jenter, hold dere unna de tyrkiske!

Nei, for all del. Om du tenner på sjalu 170 høye stubber med kvinnesyn fra 30-tallet, et meget spesielt forhold til sin "mamma" hvis meninger betyr mer enn dine, og håpløse klisjeaktige erklæringer så for all del, kjør på!

[I Grosny]

Likevel blir det noe riv ruskende galt i å gi mannen alene skylden for at unge i Norge venter lenge med å stifte familie.

Mammaene har jo også skyld her, som forventer at barna skal utdanne seg før de stifter familie, (mye lurt i det, men det fører altså til at de aller fleste ekteskap inngåes etter fylte 20 år) og Jens Stoltenberg og andre politikere har skyld, som bare står å ser på at boligprisene fyker i været i stedet for å bygge 40000 rimelige utleieboliger i Oslo som vil bremse markedet skikkelig, og muligjøre selvstendig boetablering av ungdommene våre tidligere.

[Gjest Gjest]

Nei, for all del. Om du tenner på sjalu 170 høye stubber med kvinnesyn fra 30-tallet, et meget spesielt forhold til sin "mamma" hvis meninger betyr mer enn dine, og håpløse klisjeaktige erklæringer så for all del, kjør på!

Regner med du har prøvd en slik en da, siden du vet så mye om det! Hmmmm, sier jo litt om deg da....

[Gjest Gjest]

Fordi de er late. Det er mer tak i ekte mannfolk, som reiser dobbelt så langt, helt til Thailand.

Hahaha, den var god

[AnonymBruker]

Idiotdamer som faller for tyrkere bør google Bezness og lese det som står der NØYE.

Anonym poster: 587537e01494e87bef116e4a2d32d41d

[Silje_Mor]

Drar alle norske kvinner til Tyrkia for å finne seg en kar altså?? Hmm

[Gjest Gjest]

Å herregud! Glad for at det iallfall finnes noen få fornuftige menn i dette landet, for her var det mange idioter, gitt!

[Gjest Gjest]

Idiotdamer som faller for tyrkere bør google Bezness og lese det som står der NØYE.

Tror ikke det hjelper så mye, men...

What is "Bezness"?

The term "Bezness" originates from the English word "business", and generally refers to profit-oriented activities of locals to tourists with the sole aim of creating advantages for one self.

In a narrower sense, the term is used for the pretention of love feelings toward women with the sole objective of gaining financial or material benefits or a residence permit in a western country, preferably Europe.

It is, in this sense, very much similar to terms like "marriage fraud" or "scam".

In French, terms like "Mariage Gris" or "Mariage Blanc" are used, while more profane terms refer also to "immigration fraud", "immigration scam" and "fictitious marriage".

The Beznesser

The main difference between a "Beznesser" and a "Papagallo" is the fact that he is not just into an amoreuse adventure for the holidays, but he uses this only as the first step of his project.

There are many stages and forms between a serious and a Bezness lover, and in Tunisia, one can rarely find a "pure" representative of either kind - but one thing is certain: men who work in the tourist industry and are eager to contact tourists, almost always belong to the group "Beznesser".

The AMIGA

But - to reach his goal, a "Beznesser" always needs a counterpart, and this counterpart is in almost all cases a European woman who suffers from the so-called "AMIGA syndrome".

The word AMIGA comes from the german sentence "Aber Meiner Ist Ganz Anders" (But my guy is totally different). In Latin, the word "amiga" means "girlfriend".

Despite the high probability that a woman runs into a "Bezness" man, which is, very conservatively estimated, about 90%, the woman keeps in almost all cases her eyes shut to the reality and takes refuge in the above-mentioned conviction that "The other men may be like that, but mine is certainly different".

The fact is, however, that many short term relationships and most of the medium ones will fail in the long term - and this for reasons in addition to the ones, from which marriages between couples from the same county are failing.

Why Bezness?

Tunisia is one hand a poor country, where the minimum wage, which most working professionals receive, is less than 200 Euro (200 UKP, 300 USD) per month.

Tunisia is also a country that does not provide an awful lot of jobs - the unemployment figures are, according to official figures around 10%, and according to strict standards rather in the area of 30%.

And finally, Tunisia is a country where the citizens cannot simply "go away", but they will need for all European countries a visa.

But Tunisia is, as well, a country that is directly adjacent to Europe and each year, hundreds of thousands of tourists visit the country. On almost each house roof is a satellite dish mounted, which delivers television programs from many countries to the Tunisian screens. So, they watch the reports of the life in Europe and generally the "West". And the tourists show them their supposed wealth by the fact that they can afford to fly to Tunisia to spend a vacation - not to mention new mobile phones, clothes and conduct, by Tunisian standards, a generous use of tips or gifts.

Thus, it is not surprising that the aim of many Tunisians is, to go to the "Golden West", find work and become rich fast. And to find work, which will allow them to live a good life, to support their family with money and to build up a house or business of their own.

Some Tunisians try, like the inhabitants of the more southerly states in Africa, to illegally cross the borders to European countries with vessels, but such a trip is expensive and dangerous, and even if they succeed, they will have to live illegal in Europe.

Others try to obtain a working visa for Europe, but on the one hand, there are hardly any job vacancies in Europe for non-Europeans (or even for Europeans for that matter) and on the other hand, it is difficult to even find such a job out of Tunisia.

So, the only realistic option that many Tunisians see for themselves, is a marriage with a citizen of a western country (and, in the recent years, increasingly also with women from East European countries, as the western countries are putting up higher barriers to obtain a visa), the equivalent for a ticket into the "Golden West" And they are ready to do almost anything to obtain it.

The Prey Scheme

To come into "Contact" with a western tourist is easy - it is sufficient, to just talk to a tourist.

The easiest way is, of course, to obtain a job in the tourist industry, especially in the animation or restauration area in an hotel.

But even if such a position can not be obtained, the chances are quite good to attract the attention of a western woman on the street, in a shop, a taxi or a discotheque.

Generally, they are 3 target groups:

single, young and well situated women

single elderly women

all women

and the objectives are, in this order:

Visa to a western country

Financial donations

Fun in bed

In line with these objectives, they proceed with:

Strategy and Tactics

In most cases, there will be immediate talks about marriage, in many cases, they will be demands for money or donations - outspoken or expected.

If the Beznesser got a "victim", which has only little or no money, then it is also not a real problem, because every day, new tourists arrive at the airport.

They won't let go of what they have obtained, of course, and so they will continue to "work" the relation, even if it is a parallel second-, third- or fourth relationship, because even when it does not yield a marriage and a visa, there lures still the prospect of sex and financial benefits of smaller nature - the payment of taxi fares and some disco visits, for example. And - who knows, maybe one need only to give it some more time and it will turn out well anyway.

A typical characteristic of all such relationships is therefore, that they will never be abandoned or forgotten - even after months and sometimes years, they might decide to follow up on an "old" affair. But as long as a relationship is still "hot" and are fresh, there will be fireworks of telephone and SMS contacts.

In such relationships, the ultimate winner will often be the victim that manages it the fastest to marry and to present a visa to a western country, and, ideally, pay all the celebrations and ticket costs as well.

Typical Bezness!

In Tunisia, they know the internet as well and they also read webpages like this one, or are even members in discussion forums about bezness. And not to forget - there was and is always the so-called "beach academy" in which the most promising concepts and approaches are being discussed, the latest love SMS texts in different languages are exchanged and photos, letters and "Western Union" wire transfer receipts shown off.

The detection of "Bezness" is therefore increasingly difficult and in many cases even impossible, especially, if the view is severed by glasses with pink lenses.

Thus, while typical Bezness behaviour can be recognized as such, it is not so easy to tell the other way around and you really cannot take the assumption that, if you do not experience typical Bezness behaviour, then no Bezness is involved.

Meanwhile, the only real protection is to make Bezness attempts impossible right from the start.

Bezness Signs

Typical Bezness signs are:

The words "I love you/want to marry you" within a few hours or days.

Even if there is something like "love at first sight", it is very rare. And it is even more rare in an environment, where a man meets new women every day as a part of his job.

All demands for money

A serious tunisian man will never lend money from his wife or ask for gifts. The tunisian society (as well as the law) demand that a man supports his wife - without any exceptions.

Strong hints for caution are:

Family members or good friends who already live in Europe.

He will do anything to go and live with them. And the simple fact that he is still in Tunisia shows that he could not manage that yet.

Unrealistic ideas about life, work and salary situations in Europe.

There is plenty of information available about the situation in Europe - people who still do not know it or have strange ideas about it, have never seriously considered to live or work in Europe.

Demands

It is, as pointed out before, unlikely, that a Bezness man confronts you immediately with demands eg. for financial contributions - unless you meet someone who is "new" to the business, or has several relations going and don't care whether or not he succeeds with a certain relation.

But sooner or later, there will be in almost all cases, open or hidden demands.

It usually starts with small things - talking about the own situation (no job, not well paid, etc.). Or they expect you to pay "pocket money" amounts (coffee, cigarettes, taxi) - and most Europeans will gladly do so, because, from their perspective, even paying for a visit to a discotheque or restaurant is quite inexpensive in Tunisia.

The next stage will be requests for small favors, such as bringing chocolate or alcohol, passing small amounts of money for charging the mobile phone and then it increases later to clothes, MP3 players, mobile phones, and even computer laptops.

Of course, demands for "help" are not always openly expressed, but are instead wrapped in reports of dramatic personal situations in the hope that the European comes forward by itself and offers help. Then they will then gladly accept the offered help, often after a while of grace (normally, I would never do it, but I have no choice right now) and often with the promise of repayment (which never will take place).

The Land of Catastrophes

For an outsider, it seems that Tunisia is a country where every day all kinds of mishaps and disasters happen which can only be cured with money - a cell phone falls into the water and is unusable, the mother or the father or brother/sister suddenly need urgent medicine or medical treatment, police and city administration must be bribed, the employer demands reparation for a damaged part, things are stolen or lost, or a young man must free himself from military service, to name only the most common misadventures that seem to befall every Tunisian almost at weekly intervals.

Exploit of Situation

In many situations, affection and relations will be exploited without mercy, starting with communication (I have no money to call you, if we want to talk, you have to call me) and personal situations (I was laid off, I have no more money for rent and for food), to familar matters (for the upcoming high holidays, we can not even buy a sheep that we have to slaughter).

Not only is the European, who now "hangs on the fishing rod" already, tricked by challenging their pity - who will not talk with the boyfriend every few days, who will let him starve or spend a sad holiday - but also, the tourists profound non-knowledge of local habits and rules is being deliberately exploited.

In Tunisia, there is, for example, nobody who doesn't have a roof over his head, or a, whatever little, daily meal (in all cases, a family member will always jump in to provide the basics) and there are no religious rules that compulse one for rich meals at holidays (they only suggest it).

Even the military, from which every male Tunisians wants to become exempt, is largely in line with military services in Europe. For example, with the exception of the first few weeks after service starts, contacts to the "outside" are allowed and leaves for home are granted.

A "disappearance" for months is just a fairy tale, which is told to European women in order to make them pay for the exempt. On the contrary - the military is a very good character-building time, which would certainly suit the majority of the Bezness men well.

Money and Gifts

The fact that a large number of objects and even the money, that a Beznesser seeks, will not end up in his pockets is another matter - you should not be surprised that t-shirts, brand name jeans, or a mobile phone will end up with his brother, sister or a friend, because many Tunisians have a different approach to personal belongings and evaluate them first by use and exchange value, not by personal memory.

And, concerning money, it applies in many families, that anyone who just has some, will contribute it for common use. Things like "saving" or "personal use only" are widely unknown concepts.

If, for example, you leave any money "for the case of an emergency" when you are going away, then you will always find, that, regardless of the elapsed time and left money amount, during your absence, an emergency occurred and the money has been used up.

Once again a reminder: we are talking about Bezness people and not about individuals with high standards of morals and ethics!

Those are out there as well, and it is most probably the majority of Tunisians, but they are not the ones that a tourist meets usually, they are not the ones who seek or maintain close contacts with Europeans, and they are certainly not those who will, after a very short time already, enter a relationship with an European.

Europeans judge acquaintances and friendships using European eyes, interpret interpersonal signals on the base of their European life experience and try to solve conflicts with proven European strategies - and all of these behaviors provide misleading results and will not yield the expected result. While this is just "general wisdom" and applies to all visits to non-home countries, only very few are prepared for that inevitable ignorance and misjudgment, and almost nobody suspects that even personal and close relationships and life situations will be exploited.

[Gjest Gjest]

Å herregud! Glad for at det iallfall finnes noen få fornuftige menn i dette landet, for her var det mange idioter, gitt!

Javel, fra en kvinne som besvarte et spørsmål om hvorfor andre kvinner faller for disse primitive sjåvinistene trass i alle advarsler:

http://www.travbuddy...=399467#p399467

Cos they're naive fools... If people actually could think rationally instead of with their cojones and conchas world would be half less shitty place to live. Little bit of exoticism and some people's common sense gets thrown into the trash can...both men and women.

One of my former friends had relationship decent-enough Finnish guy. She went to Morocco and met some slicky-tongued wanker, fell in love, arranged him to Finland. He was wonderful for about 6 months, then turned physically and verbally abusive control-freak. Turkey, North-Africa etc. is full of well-educated, civilized and well-behaved men but those dumb chickens seem to seem to fall for worst kind of uncivilized cavemen and then they arrange those men into Finland...

The funny thing about those men is that they're often mentally schizo between stone-aged traditional values and perverted western bs. Once they marry their Finnish girlfriend, vancacy is created for a new girlfriend. Because traditional stone-aged behauviour codes start to apply to the wife. For example she isn't supposed to go to bars or nightclubs and the man starts to try to control hers goings and human-relationships. The wife turns boring once you marry her thanks to the traditional expectations about wife's role. The same time the man is perverted by western sexual values and seeks excitiment and starts to cheat his western wife with other western women...

My Turkish ex-bf turned abusive when his family came into the picture. His behauvior totally changed. Maybe his parents pressured or manipulated him or maybe he deep within was just a shithead. He turned into paranoid, sickly jealous control-freak. He was modern-minded for the first 4 months and then changed. Started to expect all kinds of ridicious things about me and when verbal threats didn't work he broke my nose. Then as the return favour I bashed lamp on his forehead.

One thing I don't understand is why those western women expect to find their prince in shining armor from some tourist trap's beaches, beach bars or sleazy nightclubs. Those places attract all kinds of wankers who are after drunk'n loose women and easy money. Many of those men fresh arrivals from the countryside... In Agadir, Morocco the local gigolos...beach boys circled near the beaches like wolves after their prey.

I bet especially Northern-European girls are relatively easy targets for those gigoloish cavemen... Overpouring compliment swinging and flattering is integral part of Middle-Eastern cultures...also to some extent part of Southern-European cultures. Compliments are used as ritual few them really come from the heart. So even most stone-aged cavemen knows how to be loose tongued with flattering...big advantage towards naive European women. In Scandinavia people aren't used to overpouring complimenting and flattering. So those women easily get knocked of their feet when some exotic looking guy spits out compliments like a machine gun. If some Scandinavian guy would do the same those women would most likely consider him as scary or irritating creep.

To some extent I hate the western women who take part to the sex tourism... When some poorer country's (young) men notice that fucking foreign women for money is easy source of profit they start to see every foreign woman as potential client... and then the holidays of those women who aren't interest about holiday fling gets ruined by aggressive marketing from gigolos...

Many women are about as worse in sex tourism as some men are. Aggressive marketing from gigolos/whores or turning whole tourist destination into sleazepit of sex tourism goes over minding their own business.

Having many decades younger bf/gf from poorer country is also people's own business but usually if they get scammed/cheated they can only blame their own naivity and stupidity. Yeah there can be genuine love and affection even with great age difference but that isn't greated during some short holiday encounter. Usually the warning signs are quite evident but people ignore them and most people seem to fall for same kind of schemes that are being warned about all the time. It's almost like those people are too stupid to deserve have the money.

They often also have bad experiences about the men/women of their own culture. So they think even foreign whore is better than the woman from their own culture. They also often have the mistaken belief that the forementioned sleazy shit (prostitution, gigolos, girl bars) are integral part of for example Thai culture. So cos they think it that it's normal part of the local culture they follow the logic "when in Rome do like the Romans do" so they think that they should tolerate it and consider it as completely normal.

Plus often both sides are desperate. Would for example well-doing, well educated young Thai woman who has decent career waste her years with 50+, boring, average looking, average income western man? Most likely not. Would poor Thai woman prostitute herself if she would have better source of income? I bet not. Would young Turkish man prostitute himself to old and ugly western woman if he would had chances for decent and fullfilling career? Both sides are often more or less desperate. Neither side can be too picky. They marry whores and poor & desperate women cos they often can't get any better and they marry women from poorer countries cos they can't afford to bribe young women from wealthier countries.

[Gjest Gjest]

Javel, fra en kvinne som besvarte et spørsmål om hvorfor andre kvinner faller for disse primitive sjåvinistene trass i alle advarsler:

http://www.travbuddy...=399467#p399467

Jævla idioter, som skjærer ALLE over en kam! Javel, da kan vi norske kvinner gjøre det samme med dere primitive norske menn: Er utrolig mange her i landet som mishandler og kuer sin kvinne, så da må vel alle dere være like?

[Gjest Gjest]

Så løsningen er å bytte ut sin norske mishandlende mann med en tyrkisk en? ;klo:

Altså... når man skal følge denne alle menn slår logikken blir det bare absurd

[Gjest Gjest]

Så løsningen er å bytte ut sin norske mishandlende mann med en tyrkisk en? ;klo:

Altså... når man skal følge denne alle menn slår logikken blir det bare absurd

Løsningen er å finne en skikkelig mann! Og de er det jaggu ikke mange av i dette landet....

[Gjest Gjest]

Føkger man igjen din logikk så løper man risikoen med at andelen svindlere er desto høyere der hvor gresset er så grønt, drinkene så billige og den skjulte kommunikasjonen mellom innfødte fraværende ettersom man er turist... med solstikk..

[Gjest Gjest]

Føkger man igjen din logikk så løper man risikoen med at andelen svindlere er desto høyere der hvor gresset er så grønt, drinkene så billige og den skjulte kommunikasjonen mellom innfødte fraværende ettersom man er turist... med solstikk..

Eller: Man drikker ikke, man har ikke sex, man bruker tiden til å bli kjent over lang tid Hehe, ulikt norske forhold m.a.o.

[Gjest Gjest]

Noen finner kjærligheten der og en grepa kar, samme tralten i asia... dog noen menn som ikke helt tror thaiberta benytter seg av et detektivbyrå som sender flere ut og tester henne når han selv er vekk fra landet.

[OPIgirl]

Huff.. ser man det. Har opplevd det samme på byen. Utrolig lett å få med seg dem hjem, og jeg prøver ikke en gang. Utrolig motbydelig.

Hvorfor ligger du med damer du synes er motbydelige?

[I Grosny]

Løsningen er å finne en skikkelig mann! Og de er det jaggu ikke mange av i dette landet....

Å si noe sånn vitner om manglende kunnskap og oversikt. Det er faktisk veldig mange skikkelige menn her i landet, men det er også mange uskikkelige. Du vanker i feil miljøer, kom deg ut og bytt miljø. Bytt yrke.

[I Grosny]

Hvorfor ligger du med damer du synes er motbydelige?

Interresant fetish

(Ikke min fetish, men det er utrolig hvor forskjellige folk er.)

Endret 21. august 2012 av I Grosny