Mat mot inflammasjon

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AnonymBruker skrev (21 timer siden):

Det er vel ikke så mye at folk er mot frukt og grønt, men at man mener man ikke bør spise så kolossale mengder av det. Hvis en studie viser at folk som spiser mer frukt og grønt blir friskere, er jo det interessant, men spørsmålet er hva eplene og brokkolien erstatter. Det er klart du blir friskere av å bytte chipsposen ut med en salat. Men det er ikke sikkert du blir friskere av å bytte bort et stykke gressforet biff med brødskiver.

For øvrig vil jeg anbefale å heller spise frukt enn å drikke juice.

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Nummer en: flertallet av nordmenn spiser ikke kjøtt fra gress fora dyr.

Nummer to: nå er det vel ingen som kutter ut kjøtt og bytter det ut med brødskiver.

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16 minutter siden, AnonymBruker said:

Nummer en: flertallet av nordmenn spiser ikke kjøtt fra gress fora dyr.

Nummer to: nå er det vel ingen som kutter ut kjøtt og bytter det ut med brødskiver.

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En: jeg anbefaler ikke å spise som nordmenn flest.

To: mitt inntrykk er at mange tror brød (og planter generelt) er sunnere enn rent kjøtt.

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5 hours ago, Natta1980 said:

kolossale mengder har det aldri vært snakk om. alt med måte.

fruktijuice med chiafrø (fiber) drikker jeg med god samvittighet.

Kolossale mengder, det spørs hva du sammenligner med. Det kan endre seg fra tiår til tiår, men vi spiser i alle fall ekstremt mye mer planter nå enn i nesten hele vår eksistens.

Jeg mener ikke at noen skal ha dårlig samvittighet for hva de spiser, minner bare om at hel mat som frukt sannsynligvis er mye sunnere enn juice o.l.

Frø tror jeg generelt man bør være forsiktig med, for det er den delen av planten som har minst "interesse" av å bli spist. Altså den delen som sannsynligvis er mest beskyttet av skadelige kjemikalier.

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[Natta1980]

AnonymBruker skrev (1 time siden):

Kolossale mengder, det spørs hva du sammenligner med. Det kan endre seg fra tiår til tiår, men vi spiser i alle fall ekstremt mye mer planter nå enn i nesten hele vår eksistens.

Jeg mener ikke at noen skal ha dårlig samvittighet for hva de spiser, minner bare om at hel mat som frukt sannsynligvis er mye sunnere enn juice o.l.

Frø tror jeg generelt man bør være forsiktig med, for det er den delen av planten som har minst "interesse" av å bli spist. Altså den delen som sannsynligvis er mest beskyttet av skadelige kjemikalier.

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chiafrø er rik på mineraler, samt omega-3. perfekt å ha i smoothies og juice.

 

[Minitroll]

å måle crp er bare tullete. Den pleier å være lav ved mindre du har en infeksjon. 
 

ved inflammasjon er det jo kalprotektin-prøver som er beste indikasjon.  

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AnonymBruker skrev (På 1.4.2022 den 22.02):

Likevel vet de forbausende lite. Jeg har siden jeg var tenåring slitt med  acanthosis nigricans og keratosis pilaris. Jeg har vært hos utallige hudleger. Alt jeg fikk var kremer som ikke virket og anbefaling fra hudlege at jeg burde betale for laser. 

Det var ingen som fortalte meg at mine problemer kom av for ustabilt blodsukker. Etter 6 måneder med mindre en 20 gram karbohydrater forsvant alle mine hudplager. Dette måtte jeg finne ut på egenhånd. Men likevel  anbefaler min fastlege standard norsk kosthold som inneholder havregrøt.  Spiser jeg det skyter blodsukkere mitt opp. Jeg kunne likegodt ha spist en banan. 🙄 Og ja jeg vet dette er årsaken. Jeg har etter to år med lavkarbo prøvd å spise det myndighetene anbefaler i en måned. Mine tidlige plager kom tilbake. 

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Hvor tror du alt fettet under lavkarbo-diett gjør av seg? Man øker betydelig sjansene for hjerte- og kar sykdommer og det samme gjør man spiser for mye kjøtt. Det er en grunn til at man bør ha en balanse i kostholdet. 

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AnonymBruker skrev (2 timer siden):

Hvor tror du alt fettet under lavkarbo-diett gjør av seg? Man øker betydelig sjansene for hjerte- og kar sykdommer og det samme gjør man spiser for mye kjøtt. Det er en grunn til at man bør ha en balanse i kostholdet. 

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Kroppen bruker det som energi. Det er fult mulig å spise varighet og  sunt med lavkarbo.  Jeg spiser fisk, sjødyr, rød kjøtt(lam, storfe) og kylling. Jeg spiser innmat og drikker kraft. Alt mulig grønsaker og frukt som ikke negativt påvirker mitt blodsukker. Jeg er nå etter tre år med lavkarbo gått ned i vekt og fått bedre insulinrespons til karbohydrater. Både min fastlege og mine nærmeste har seg jeg er mye friskere i dag enn det jeg var for noen år siden. 

Jeg med min kosthold ville aldri dømt en vegetarianer/ veganer og tenkt "jøss, for et ensidig og lite sunt kosthold".  Jeg har en mor som er vegetarianer mesteparten av året av religiøse årsaker der hun også faster ofte. Hun fungere perfekt med det kostholdet. Jeg har registrert alt hun får i seg og ja, hun får i seg alle næringsstoffer hun som skal ha, utenom vitamin d. Det er så kjedelig med folk som prinsipielt er mot noe uten å ha peiling. Kosthold er personlig og hva folk liker og fungerer best på varigheter. Så lenge du spiser variert , rene matvarer og kutte ned på sukker, vil de fleste være ok. Det vel opp til individet å finne et kosthold som deres fysiske og mentale helse fungerer best på.

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Lovis Fenja skrev (22 timer siden):

Hva er feilene? Er ikke studiene reele?

Her er noen av feilene: 

• Eating processed meat is as dangerous as smoking. No. An 18% increase on baseline risk vs 1900%!
• Eating sugar doesn’t cause inflammation and no plaques form in your blood vessels after you eat it. Nope.
• Chicken is no better than processed meat. False.
• Chicken is the number one source of cholesterol in the US. Nope, eggs are.
• One egg per day is as bad as smoking five cigarettes. Total rubbish.
• Eating egg yolk coats red blood cells, thickens blood, changes hormones. Nope.
• Meat from livestock fed pesticide-laden GMO feed causes hormonal damage in infants. Not true.
• There’s a link between dairy consumption and auto-immune disease, asthma, MS and diabetes. No.
• People who drink milk have higher rates of cancer, die earlier, and have more hip fractures. No they don’t.
• Casomorphin (from cheese) plays a role in sudden infant death syndrome. It really doesn’t.
• Livestock emit more greenhouse gas emissions than cars and transport. No. Transport 14% Livestock 5%.
• Two weeks of a vegan diet suppressed prostate and breast cancer. No it didn’t.

(kilde)

 

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AnonymBruker skrev (17 timer siden):

En: jeg anbefaler ikke å spise som nordmenn flest.

To: mitt inntrykk er at mange tror brød (og planter generelt) er sunnere enn rent kjøtt.

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Skal man foreta seg jevnbyrdige sammenligning  så må man faktisk forholde seg til gjennomsnittet.Nå handler det ikke om hva ditt inntrykk om hva folk tenker er sunnest,men du sa at folk bytter du ut kjøttet med brødskiver og som veganer gjennom 15 år kjenner jeg en god del andre veganere og har aldri hørt om noen som bytter ut kjøtt med brød.

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[Lovis Fenja]

AnonymBruker skrev (2 timer siden):

Her er noen av feilene: 

• Eating processed meat is as dangerous as smoking. No. An 18% increase on baseline risk vs 1900%!
• Eating sugar doesn’t cause inflammation and no plaques form in your blood vessels after you eat it. Nope.
• Chicken is no better than processed meat. False.
• Chicken is the number one source of cholesterol in the US. Nope, eggs are.
• One egg per day is as bad as smoking five cigarettes. Total rubbish.
• Eating egg yolk coats red blood cells, thickens blood, changes hormones. Nope.
• Meat from livestock fed pesticide-laden GMO feed causes hormonal damage in infants. Not true.
• There’s a link between dairy consumption and auto-immune disease, asthma, MS and diabetes. No.
• People who drink milk have higher rates of cancer, die earlier, and have more hip fractures. No they don’t.
• Casomorphin (from cheese) plays a role in sudden infant death syndrome. It really doesn’t.
• Livestock emit more greenhouse gas emissions than cars and transport. No. Transport 14% Livestock 5%.
• Two weeks of a vegan diet suppressed prostate and breast cancer. No it didn’t.

(kilde)

 

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Takk for svar.

Nå har jeg jo bare ditt ord for dette, men det gir uansett mening, og måten kroppen min reagerer på sukker stoler jeg mer på enn all verdens forskere.

Jeg tror det er noe i det, men ikke så ekstremt som filmen sier.

Og de folka som ble mye bedre etter to uker kunne man med et halvt øye se at spiste så usunt at det selvsagt hjalp masse å spise noe helt annet enn de pleide.

Det er også ikke sånn at det ikke er noe gift i planter.

Så jeg går uansett for den gyldne middelvei. Men jeg skal ta noen helt plantebaserte uker etter påske for å sjekke formen.

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Lovis Fenja skrev (1 time siden):

Takk for svar.

Nå har jeg jo bare ditt ord for dette, men det gir uansett mening, og måten kroppen min reagerer på sukker stoler jeg mer på enn all verdens forskere.

Jeg tror det er noe i det, men ikke så ekstremt som filmen sier.

Og de folka som ble mye bedre etter to uker kunne man med et halvt øye se at spiste så usunt at det selvsagt hjalp masse å spise noe helt annet enn de pleide.

Det er også ikke sånn at det ikke er noe gift i planter.

Så jeg går uansett for den gyldne middelvei. Men jeg skal ta noen helt plantebaserte uker etter påske for å sjekke formen.

Eeeh hæ? Mitt ord? Du leser ikke linkene i det hele tatt, ser jeg. Dette er den fulle lista med feil og kildehenvisninger (studier på studier):

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scene	truth level	reality full	reality condensed	source names	source links
Eating processed meat is as dangerous as smoking.	FALSE	Smoking is much more dangerous. Eating 50 grams of processed meat a day raises colorectal cancer risk from the baseline level by about 18%. Men who smoke increase their lung cancer risk by 1900%, or 20-fold.	Smoking is much more dangerous. Men who smoke increase their lung cancer risk by 1900%, or 20-fold. Meat eating increases risk by 18%.	The Conversation WHO	https://theconversation.com/confused-about-your-cancer-risk-from-eating-meat-heres-what-the-figures-mean-49888 http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
Many of these studies into processed meat have been around for 50 years.	FALSE	Google Scholar and PubMed searches for 'processed meat health' brought up no relevant research papers published before 1980 and few before 1990.	Google Scholar and PubMed searches for 'processed meat health' brought up no relevant research papers published before 1980 and few before 1990.	Google Scholar PubMed	https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=processed+meat+health&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=1930&as_yhi=1990 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc
The fatty part of the cookie is bad for you, not the sugar.	FALSE	Both are bad for you when consumed in excess.	Both are bad for you when consumed in excess.	British Heart Foundation New Yorker Diet Doctor	https://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-matters-magazine/nutrition/ask-the-expert/fat-or-sugar https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/04/03/is-fat-killing-you-or-is-sugar https://www.dietdoctor.com/sugar-vs-fat-on-bbc-which-is-worse
Eating sugar doesn't cause inflammation and no plaques form in your blood vessels after you eat it.	FALSE	Consuming too much added sugar is linked with increased inflammation and associated with the development of cardiovascular disease. But the mechanisms are not fully understood.	Consuming too much added sugar is linked with increased inflammation and associated with the development of cardiovascular disease.	American Journal of Clinical Nutrition Critical Reviews in Clinical Laboratory Science Advances in Nutrition	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21677052 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26376619 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23493538
Chicken is no better for you than processed meat.	FALSE	No, chicken is much better for you. Processed meat is a known carcinogen, but there's no evidence linking white meats to cancer. Large-scale studies show those who eat more white meat (chicken and turkey) suffer fewer strokes and are less likely to die from any cause.	Processed meat is a known carcinogen, but there's no evidence linking white meats to cancer.	Cancer Research UK Journal of the American Heart Association	http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2015/10/26/processed-meat-and-cancer-what-you-need-to-know/ http://jaha.ahajournals.org/content/6/9/e005983
The number one source of cholesterol in the US diet is chicken.	FALSE	The link provided as a source by the WTH team does not make this claim (PCRM). NIH research based on 2005-06 NHANES says eggs are the top source, providing 24.6% of the cholesterol in the average US diet, followed by chicken, providing 12.5%.	Nope, it's eggs. Chicken is the second biggest source though. Insert joke about which came first.	Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) EPI	https://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/cholesterol-and-heart-disease https://epi.grants.cancer.gov/diet/foodsources/cholesterol/table1.html
Eating one egg per day is as bad for life expectancy as smoking five cigarettes.	FALSE	Absolute rubbish. The study cited by WTH is not about life expectancy, and was anyway widely criticised at the time - they didn't adjust for age. Even light smoking is far more deadly than eggs. And recent research suggests eating eggs probably doesn't raise cholesterol as previously thought.	The study cited by WTH is not about life expectancy, and was anyway widely criticised at the time - they didn't adjust for age.	Atherosclerosis Journal of the American College of Nutrition Nutrients American Journal of Clinical Nutrition	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22882905 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27710205 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4586539/ http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/105/6/1462.long#F2
Eating egg yolk raises cholesterol levels, coats our red blood cells, makes our blood thicker and changes our hormone levels.	FALSE	It sounds like something that might be true: egg yolks are concentrated sources of cholesterol and scientists believed for decades that eating them would in turn raise blood cholesterol. But recent research suggests the effect is tiny and may not even exist. The other claims are nonsense.	Recent research suggests the effect on cholesterol is tiny and may not even exist. The other claims are nonsense.	Nutrients Proceedings of the Nutrition Society	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4303863/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27126575
The public perception is that heart disease and cancer are genetically determined and not affected by diet.	FALSE	The idea that certain foods might influence cancer or heart disease risk is widely accepted by the public. One Irish study found 76% of respondents were aware diet influences cancer risk, though they tended to overestimate the proportion attributable to genetics too.	The idea that certain foods might influence cancer or heart disease risk is widely accepted.	Jama Internal Medicine	http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/content/20/4/372.full
Meat from livestock fed pesticide-laden GMO feed causes developmental and hormonal damage in infants.	FALSE	Small samples and lack of data have limited any conclusions. The largest study, of 500,000 births between 1997 and 2011, found that pesticide exposure raised adverse birth outcomes by 5-9%, but only among the population with VERY high exposure. Many GMO crops are modified to require LESS pesticide.	VERY high levels of exposure might harm infants, but this is the case regardless of whether the crops are GMO or not.	Reproductive Toxicology Nature Communications Harvard University	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21338670 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5575123/ http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/gmos-and-pesticides/
There's a link between dairy consumption and auto-immune diseases, asthma, Type I diabetes and multiple sclerosis.	FALSE	No associations between cow’s milk and type I diabetes. No associations between diet and autoimmune diseases. Some asthma sufferers have a problem with both plant-based and animal-derived foods. There is ambiguous evidence that a high intake of saturated fat increases the incidence of MS.	No definite associations have been established.	European Journal of Nutrition Harvard Medical School Current Allergy and Asthma Reports Asthma UK Current Atherosclerosis Reports American Journal of Clinical Nutrition Diabetes Care Cardiac Failure Review Journal of Family Practice Journal of Geriatric Cardiology Multiple Sclerosis Journal	https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-009-0008-z https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/ask-the-doctor-reversing-atherosclerosis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034518/ https://www.asthma.org.uk/advice/triggers/food/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3483430/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677007/pdf/ajcn8951588S.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2782970/ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325148374_A_Review_of_Plant-based_Diets_to_Prevent_and_Treat_Heart_Failure https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198208/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466936/ https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1191/1352458505ms1119oa
People who drink milk have higher rates of cancer.	FALSE	A 2016 meta-review concluded that adult milk and dairy intake protects against colorectal cancer, bladder cancer, gastric cancer, and breast cancer, and is not associated with risk of pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, or lung cancer.	Drinking milk protects against colorectal cancer, bladder cancer, gastric cancer, and breast cancer.	Food and Nutrition Research	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122229/
People who drink milk have higher rates of hip fractures.	FALSE	There is no evidence that drinking milk increases the risk of bone fractures, and some limited evidence that it might even reduce the risk.	Drinking milk does not increase the risk of bone fractures.	Food and Nutrition Research	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122229/
People who drink milk live shorter lives.	FALSE	A huge multinational study (136,384 participants), completed in 2018 and published in the Lancet found that milk and yoghurt consumption was associated with *lower* risk of death.	Drinking milk helps people live longer.	The Lancet	https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)31812-9/fulltext
Eating dairy increases the risk of hormone-related cancers (breast, ovarian, prostate cancer).	FALSE	A 2016 meta-review concluded that adult milk and dairy intake protects against colorectal cancer, bladder cancer, gastric cancer, and breast cancer, and is not associated with risk of pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, or lung cancer.	Drinking milk protects against colorectal cancer, bladder cancer, gastric cancer, and breast cancer.	Food and Nutrition Research	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122229/
Dr Susan Levin says there should be more focus on cancer prevention.	FALSE	Doctors and the mainstream medical industry do all kinds of prevention work for every major illness. Regarding cancer, there are massive public information campaigns, and the cancer vaccine industry is huge and growing fast.	Doctors and the mainstream medical industry do a lot of prevention work.	Science Based Medicine Grand View Research	https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/if-you-think-doctors-dont-do-prevention-think-again/ https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/cancer-vaccines-drug-pipeline-market
Is cheese addictive?.	FALSE	Cheese probably isn't addictive. The casomorphins present in cheese stimulate the brain's reward system, as do music, sugar, social media etc. But liking something doesn't mean it has addictive potential. The sugars and fats are much more likely to responsible for pizza cravings than cheese.	Probably not. Lots of things stimulate the brain's pleasure receptors. That doesn't equate to addiction.	PLoS One ScienceNews The Guardian	https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0117959 https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/scicurious/no-cheese-not-just-crack https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2018/feb/13/crack-and-cheese-do-pleasurable-things-really-affect-your-brain-like-drugs
Casomorphin may play a role in sudden infant death syndrome and autism.	FALSE	The review cited by WTH in support of these claims actually contradicts them: "A possible link between BCM intake and sudden infant death syndrome has been suggested in some publications. However, no clear evidence for such a relationship was found during the review."	Even the study WTH cites on this states there is no clear evidence for either claim.	European Food Safety Authority Saudi Journal of Biological Sciences International Journal of Food Properties	https://efsa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.2903/j.efsa.2009.231r https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1319562X15001382 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10942912.2012.712077
Livestock are responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than transportation.	FALSE	This is a common misconception based on a flawed approach. The comparison measures direct emissions from transport against both direct and indirect emissions from livestock. When comparing fairly, transport accounts for about 14% of human emissions, while livestock accounts for 5%.	Misconception based on a flawed comparison. Like-for-like comparison puts transport way above livestock for direct emissions.	FAO	https://www.cgiar.org/news-events/news/fao-common-flawed-comparisons-greenhouse-gas-emissions-livestock-transport/
USDA concealed research claiming that eggs are unhealthy.	FALSE	The filmmakers offer no evidence for this claim, and we couldn’t find any record of the USDA hiding documents on eggs.	We couldn’t find any record of the USDA hiding documents on eggs.
The meat industry has a similar lobbying budget to the pharmaceutical industry.	FALSE	The pharmaceutical industry spent almost 60 times more than the meat industry on lobbying in 2018 – $280.3million vs. $4.7million respectively.	The pharmaceutical industry spent almost 60 times more than the meat industry on lobbying in 2018.	Center for Responsive Politics Center for Responsive Politics	https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=H04&year=2018 https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/induscode.php?id=G2300
Plant proteins are better for us than animal proteins.	FALSE	It's not that simple. Sources of plant-based protein usually have less saturated fat and sodium than sources of animal-based protein, which makes them preferable in general health terms. But 'pure' protein has similar effects on health regardless of the source.	Protein has similar health effects regardless of the source, though meat proteins tend to be more "complete" in terms of essential amino acids.	American Journal of Clinical Nutrition Harvard School of Public Health	https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/59/5/1203S/4732587 https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein/
Plant-based diet more nutritious than meat-based.	FALSE	Nutrition levels depend on the specifics of what you eat, not on whether or not your diet contains meat. Variety, quality, food preparation, cooking methods etc all factor in, too. A plant-based diet can be less nutritious than a meat-based diet, and vice versa.	Nutrition levels depend on the specifics of what you eat, not on whether or not your diet contains meat.	Harvard School of Public Health	https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-is-a-plant-based-diet-and-why-should-you-try-it-2018092614760
The paleo diet is not healthy, and helps plaque and cholesterol buildup.	FALSE	Several small studies have found that a paleo diet improves numerous cardiovascular risk factors, even after a very short period, when compared with a standard diabetic diet. While cholesterol intake IS higher in paleo diets, the main source of cholesterol is lean meat and fish.	A paleo diet actually reduces cardio risk factors.	Journal of Gastrointestinal and Liver Diseases Australian Family Physician European Journal of Clinical Nutrition	https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carmine_Finelli/publication/282920578_Hype_or_Reality_Should_Patients_with_Metabolic_Syndrome-related_NAFLD_be_on_the_Hunter-Gatherer_Paleo_Diet_to_Decrease_Morbidity/links/5638d98f08ae51ccb3cc9f38.pdf https://search.informit.com.au/documentSummary;dn=817618908759886;res=IELHEA https://www.nature.com/articles/ejcn201539/
Humans have not evolved to eat meat.	FALSE	This debate has been raging for thousands of years. From Genesis 9:3: “Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you,” to ancient Greek philosopher Pythagoras: “Oh, how wrong it is for flesh to be made from flesh!” Dietary flexibility is key to the success of humans as a species	Dietary flexibility is considered key to the success of humans as a species.	Scientific American	https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-true-human-diet/
Anatomically humans are frugivores, not omnivores.	FALSE	Humans don't have the teeth or claws of mammals evolved to kill and eat other animals, but our early ancestors invented tools to use in their place. Our guts are simple, closer to carnivores than to those evolved to eat primarily fibrous plant foods.	Our early ancestors made tools in lieu of teeth, and we have the gut system for meat digestion.	Scientific American	https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-true-human-diet/
Human canines are useless for tearing meat – we are not evolved to eat it.	FALSE	Humans don't have the teeth or claws of mammals evolved to kill and eat other animals, but our early ancestors invented tools to use in their place. Our guts are simple, closer to carnivores than to those evolved to eat primarily fibrous plant foods.	Our early ancestors made tools in lieu of teeth, and we have the gut system for meat digestion.	Scientific American	https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-true-human-diet/
Two weeks of a vegan diet suppressed prostate and breast cancer growth.	FALSE	Neither of the studies cited by WTH support this conclusion. The first was small and conducted on cells (i.e. not on humans). The second was smaller and participants were not given a vegan diet.	Of the two studies cited by WTH, one was in vitro only, the other was NOT based on a vegan diet.	Pritkin The Journal of Urology	https://www.pritikin.com/eperspective/specialissues/cancer/cancerabstract.pdf https://www.ornish.com/wp-content/uploads/Intensive_Lifestyle_Changes_and_Prostate_Cancer.pdf
Eating meat is like smoking – it's Russian Roulette.	FALSE	This is a misleading representation of the WHO's decision to include processed meats as group 1 carcinogens, the same group as tobacco and alcohol. Both cause cancer. However, the cancer risk isn't the same for both. What it actually means is that the strength of evidence is equivalent for both.	Eating meat is not like smoking. Smoking is far, far more dangerous.	The Guardian	https://www.theguardian.com/science/sifting-the-evidence/2015/oct/26/meat-and-tobacco-the-difference-between-risk-and-strength-of-evidence
Eating meat does not make people feel good.	FALSE	Some people feel fantastic after eating a steak	Some people feel fantastic after eating a steak.	-	-
Hippocrates said: 'Let thy food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food'.	FALSE-ISH	This is a misquotation. The phrase is nowhere to be found in the texts attributed to Hippocrates. But he did think there was a link between food and health.	The phrase is nowhere to be found in the texts attributed to Hippocrates.	European eJournal of Clinical Nutrition and Metabolism	https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258099432_Let_not_thy_food_be_confused_with_thy_medicine_The_Hippocratic_misquotation
The American Cancer Society still recommends processed meats on its website.	FALSE-ISH	The ACS recommends canned tuna and salmon, confusingly labelling them 'meats', and frozen ground turkey breast, which contains no cancer-causing nitrates. It doesn't recommend any other meat.	The ACS recommends canned tuna and salmon, confusingly labelling them 'meats', and frozen ground turkey breast, which contains no cancer-causing nitrates. It doesn't recommend any other meat.	American Cancer Society	https://www.cancer.org/healthy/eat-healthy-get-active/eat-healthy/shopping-list-basic-ingredients-for-a-healthy-kitchen.html
Diabetes risk is not affected by a high-carb diet or by eating sugar.	FALSE-ISH	Low-GI carbs appear to protect against type II diabetes, but high-GI carbs appear to increase the risk of getting it. The link between sugar and diabetes is enormously controversial. We know obesity's a big risk factor, though, and eating lots of sugar probably isn't great for your weight.	The link between sugar and diabetes is controversial. We know obesity is a big risk factor, though, and eating lots of sugar probably isn't great for your weight.	CDC Nutrients Critical Reviews in Clinical Laboratory Sciences FAO	https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/basics/risk-factors.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5133084/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26376619 http://www.fao.org/docrep/W8079E/w8079e09.htm
The more carbs you consume, the lower your diabetes risk.	FALSE-ISH	Carbohydrates come in different forms. Most studies have found high-GI carbs (sugars, simple starches) tend to increase diabetes risk and low-GI carbs (complex carbs like whole grains) tend to lower it. Fibre is protective though.	Depends on the type of carb. Complex carbs lower your risk, while high GI carbs increase it.	Diabetes Care American Journal of Clinical Nutrition	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24265366 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26537938
Most Alzheimer's cases are misdiagnosed and are actually blocked arteries.	FALSE-ISH	The majority of Alzheimer's cases are diagnosed correctly, so the claim isn't true. But Alzheimer's false positive rates are quite high, ranging from about 10%-30%. Some of the misdiagnosed actually had vascular dementia, which is caused by blocked or leaky blood vessels.	Alzheimer's false positive rates range from about 10% to 30%. Some of the misdiagnosed actually had vascular dementia, which is caused by blocked or leaky blood vessels.	CBS News Washington Post Alzheimer's and Dementia Alzheimer's UK	https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alzheimers-cases-misdiagnosed-men-women/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/brain-scans-show-many-alzheimers-patients-may-not-actually-have-the-disease/2017/07/18/52013620-6bf2-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html?utm_term=.3e018c1fc395 http://www.trci.alzdem.com/article/S2352-8737(17)30039-2/abstract https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/info/20007/types_of_dementia/5/vascular_dementia
Fish contain PCBs, mercury, cholesterol and saturated fat.	FALSE-ISH	Fish can be contaminated by pollutants including mercury, PCBs, dioxins, and pesticide residues. However, nutrition researchers point out eating fish comes with many health benefits. The decision to cut fish out of the diet over mercury concerns shouldn’t be taken lightly.	It's not yet clear whether the risks of eating fish outweigh the multiple health benefits.	Harvard School of Public Health WHO BBC EWG Mayo Clinic	https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fish/ . https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mercury-and-health http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zs3882p https://www.ewg.org/research/ewg-s-consumer-guide-seafood/mercury-toxicity https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/cholesterol/art-20045192
Too many portions of fish a week can kill you because of the mercury it contains.	FALSE-ISH	There is no consensus on whether the benefits of eating fish outweigh the risks of consuming mercury. Some fish contain mercury, and consuming such fish in very large amounts can make you really, really ill but is unlikely to kill you. We don't yet know for sure how much mercury is too much.	Some fish contains mercury but eating it is highly unlikely to actually kill you.	Harvard School of Public Health WHO BBC EWG Mayo Clinic	https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fish/ . https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mercury-and-health http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zs3882p https://www.ewg.org/research/ewg-s-consumer-guide-seafood/mercury-toxicity https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/cholesterol/art-20045192
Sardines are less toxic but still not healthy.	FALSE-ISH	Sardines contain far less mercury than other fish, are usually sustainably caught, and a 3.5 ounce serving contains as much Omega-3 fatty acids as pink salmon. It's difficult to argue that they're not healthy.	Sardines are much less toxic than big fish like salmon, and full of healthy Omega-3s.	Cleveland Clinic	https://health.clevelandclinic.org/3-fish-you-should-love-and-3-fish-you-should-snub/
Among women who have had breast cancer, a single serving of milk a day can increase risk of dying of breast cancer by 49%, and total mortality by 64%.	FALSE-ISH	The link between milk and cancer is weak at best. There are some single studies suggesting increased cancer risk with dairy intake, but systematic reviews find no link. One review from the Shanghai Municipal Bureau of Health finds that women who eat more dairy actually have a lower risk of cancer.	The link between milk and cancer is weak and inconsistent.	Journal of Breast Cancer Nature Time Breast Care Nutrients	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4705082/ https://www.nature.com/articles/srep20624 http://time.com/4897133/vegan-netflix-what-the-health/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3357167/#__ffn_sectitle https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4586558/
The American Heart Association is sponsored by companies from the meat and poultry industry, and processed and fast food manufacturers.	FALSE-ISH	AHA policy states that they will only get into corporate relationships with food companies whose ethos matches the AHA's public health goals. Their current list of sponsors doesn't show any food manufacturers, with the exception of a health services company that provides catering to hospitals.	No current sponsorship from major food corps. Big Pharma, on the other hand...	AHA AHA AHA Colorado Springs Vox AHA	https://www.heart.org/en/get-involved/ways-to-give/for-companies/policy-on-corporate-relationships http://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/company-collaboration/heart-check-certification/heart-check-in-the-grocery-store/heart-check-food-certification-program-nutrition-requirements https://ahacoloradosprings.ejoinme.org/MyEvents/20112012ColoradoSpringsGoRedLuncheon/Sponsorship/tabid/280995/Default.aspx https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/2/14789150/patient-groups-conflicts-of-interest https://www.heart.org/en/about-us/sponsor-thank-you
88% of pork chops, 90% of ground beef, and 95% of chicken breasts are contaminated with faeces.	FALSE-ISH	The cited study refers to bacteria, not to faeces. Almost everything is covered in gut bacteria. What's important is not the presence of bacteria, but type and concentration. The Washington Post describes the interpretation of gut bacteria as gross and dangerous as 'bacterial fearmongering'.	Gut bacteria are everywhere. It doesn't mean your food is literally smeared with poop, and their presence doesn't necessarily make food unfit for consumption.	Britannica Washington Post	https://www.britannica.com/science/bacteria/Growth-of-bacterial-populations https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/05/04/no-your-beard-isnt-full-of-poop-probably/?utm_term=.7276b9fcdaf1
100% of patients in a study came off blood pressure meds after a diet change.	FALSE-ISH	Study conducted at Goldhammer's private facility. Patients drank only water for 10-11 days, in between a few days of fruit and veg. He claims that 100% discontinued hypertension medication as a result. 100% is extraordinarily high for ANY research, and is questionable given the conflict of interest.	The 'diet change' was a water fast, conducted at an expensive private facility which is owned by the study's author.	Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapies	https://www.scribd.com/doc/32727377/Medically-Supervised-Water-only-Fasting-in-the-Treatment-of-Hypertension
Things meat contains that plants don't: cholesterol, heterocyclic amines, E. coli. There is nothing in animal products that you can't get in a healthier form somewhere else.	FALSE-ISH	Plants don't contain cholesterol or HCAs, but you can certainly get E. coli poisoning from them. Nearly half of all food-borne illnesses in the US are caused by fruit and vegetables, according to the CDC. A few nutrients are found only in animal-based foods. Supplements are always an option.	You can certainly get E. coli infection from plant foods. Nearly half of all food-borne illnesses in the US are caused by fruit and vegetables. A few nutrients, including Vitamin B12, are found only in animal-based foods.	CDC Vox Livestrong Vegan Society	https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/pdfs/ifsac-project-report-508c.pdf https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/4/26/17282378/romaine-lettuce-recall-ecoli-yuma https://www.livestrong.com/article/291208-vegetarian-sources-of-dha-epa/ https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12/what-every-vegan-should-know-about-vitamin-b12
Each 50g serving of processed meat eaten daily increases colorectal cancer risk by 18%.	MISLEADING	True, but fewer than 5% of people in the US will get colorectal cancer in their lifetime. So an 18% increase of a 5% baseline risk = 1%. So, more accurately, eating processed meat every day increases a person’s absolute risk of this one cancer from 5% to 6%.	This doesn't account for baseline risk. Eating processed meat daily increases absolute risk colorectal cancer by 1%.	IARC American Cancer Society	https://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2015/pdfs/pr240_E.pdf https://www.cancer.org/cancer/colon-rectal-cancer/about/key-statistics.html
Kip calls the American Cancer Society, the person he speaks to says she'll have someone call back.	MISLEADING	Kip tells us that the representative he spoke to would have somebody get back to him to help him with his question. We never find out the outcome of any follow-up communications. Kip makes out like the organization is hiding something, but doesn't give us the full picture.	We never find out if they called back. If they did, Kip doesn't tell us about it.	-	-
American Cancer Society refuse to discuss link between diet and cancer.	MISLEADING	Kip darkly hints that the cancellation implies some kind of cover-up by the American Cancer Society, but in reality we have no idea why it got cancelled. The email he cites simply says the interview will not go ahead. If there was more detail than that, Kip doesn't tell us about it.	We don't know why the interview was cancelled.	-	-
Lifestyle-related diseases cause about 70% of deaths and are preventable.	MISLEADING	The 70% figure is for chronic diseases, not all of which are caused by lifestyle, nor preventable. A 2014 CDC study said 20-40% of US deaths from the five leading causes were preventable.	A 2014 CDC study said 20-40% of US deaths from the five leading causes were preventable.	Comprehensive Physiology CDC WHO	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4241367/ https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0501-preventable-deaths.html http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs355/en/
Most kids in US have fatty streaks in their arteries by age 10.	MISLEADING	A single paper found almost every North American child over three years old had some fatty streaks in their arteries. But it was published in 1958. And children from other parts of the world have the streaks too, as well as wild monkeys and baboons. Their link to later heart disease is weak.	A single paper in 1958 found that most US kids have fatty streaks. But so do kids elsewhere, and monkeys. The link to later heart disease is weak.	American Journal of Clinical Nutrition Natural History of Atherosclerosis	http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/72/5/1307s.full https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1934740/
Diabetes takes 19 years off the life of a child.	MISLEADING	Misleading - the claim seems to relate to Type I (the type you're born with), not Type II, which is caused by diet. Diabetes UK says life expectancy for people with Type I diabetes is reduced by over 20 years, and by up to 10 years for Type II. Which is still awful, but not as bad as claimed.	The claim relates to Type I, which you're born with and can't change through diet.	Diabetes UK European Heart Journal Population Health Metrics	https://www.diabetes.org.uk/resources-s3/2017-11/diabetes_in_the_uk_2010.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2663724/pdf/ehn567.pdf https://pophealthmetrics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1478-7954-10-7
The American Diabetes Association website features recipes for red and processed meats.	MISLEADING	The American Diabetes Association website features mostly vegetarian or fish recipes. 25% of the recipes are meat-based. 18.75% of recipes are vegetarian but offer a meat version. Just one (6.25%) meat-based recipe and one (6.25%) meat-option recipe contain red meat.	25% of recipes listed are meat-based, and only one includes red/processed meat.	American Diabetes Association	http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/cookbook-recipes/
A Harvard study found men who eat more chicken increase their cancer risk by four times.	MISLEADING	Massive cherrypicking. One study found men at high risk of prostate cancer who ate the most poultry had 4x the risk of the cancer progressing, compared to those at low risk who ate the least poultry. But it found no link between poultry consumption and cancer progression, and it's just one study.	Cherrypicked study. Even then, it found no link between overall poultry consumption and cancer progression.	American Journal of Clinical Nutrition Cancer Prevention Research Cancer Prevention Research International Journal of Cancer Peer J	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3132069/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27651069 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21930800 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26685908 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4741082/
The countries with highest milk consumption have highest rates of osteoporosis.	MISLEADING	Osteoporosis IS more common in industrialized nations, where people consume more milk. But correlation is not causation. A meta-analyses of hip fractures concluded that population demographics (rich nations have more elderly people), ethnicity, latitude, and environment are responsible, NOT diet.	Yes, but diet is NOT a factor.	Indian Journal of Orthopaedics	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004072/
Salmonella and other meat-borne diseases kill around 3,000 people per year in the US.	MISLEADING	FOOD-borne diseases kill 3000 people per year in the US, but not all come from meat. Other culprits include water, baked potatoes, canned and fresh fruit and veg, as well as non-meat animal products such as fish, eggs, and dairy. There is no data for contaminated meats alone.	FOOD-borne (not MEAT-borne) diseases kill 3,000 per year in the US. No data for meat alone.	FDA	https://www.fda.gov/food/foodborneillnesscontaminants/foodborneillnessesneedtoknow/default.htm
Plant-based food company Hampton Creek received death threats from the egg industry.	MISLEADING	The American Egg Board went out of its way to bring down Hampton Creek, taking various legal actions. Jokes about putting a hit on Hampton Creek CEO Tetrick were made between AEB guys, but it's misleading to say that Tetrick 'received death threats'.	American Egg Board guys joked between themselves about putting a hit out on Hampton Creek CEO.	The Guardian	https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/23/usda-investigate-american-egg-board-hampton-creek-just-mayo
Mad cow disease may be in the human population, misdiagnosed as dementia.	MISLEADING	The phrasing isn't right here – it's not that mad cow disease could be misdiagnosed AS dementia, rather, mad cow disease actually does CAUSE dementia. What could be misdiagnosed, however, is the underlying cause of the dementia, i.e. it could be misdiagnosed as Alzheimer's.	Rare Acquired Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, which can be caused by infected cattle, causes dementia.	Alzheimer's Association	https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/what-is-dementia/types-of-dementia/creutzfeldt-jakob-disease

 

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AnonymBruker skrev (17 timer siden):

Kroppen bruker det som energi. Det er fult mulig å spise varighet og  sunt med lavkarbo.  Jeg spiser fisk, sjødyr, rød kjøtt(lam, storfe) og kylling. Jeg spiser innmat og drikker kraft. Alt mulig grønsaker og frukt som ikke negativt påvirker mitt blodsukker. Jeg er nå etter tre år med lavkarbo gått ned i vekt og fått bedre insulinrespons til karbohydrater. Både min fastlege og mine nærmeste har seg jeg er mye friskere i dag enn det jeg var for noen år siden. 

Jeg med min kosthold ville aldri dømt en vegetarianer/ veganer og tenkt "jøss, for et ensidig og lite sunt kosthold".  Jeg har en mor som er vegetarianer mesteparten av året av religiøse årsaker der hun også faster ofte. Hun fungere perfekt med det kostholdet. Jeg har registrert alt hun får i seg og ja, hun får i seg alle næringsstoffer hun som skal ha, utenom vitamin d. Det er så kjedelig med folk som prinsipielt er mot noe uten å ha peiling. Kosthold er personlig og hva folk liker og fungerer best på varigheter. Så lenge du spiser variert , rene matvarer og kutte ned på sukker, vil de fleste være ok. Det vel opp til individet å finne et kosthold som deres fysiske og mentale helse fungerer best på.

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Det er enda mer kjedelig å ha en debatt med noen som later som de har peiling. Kropper bruker ikke alt fettet til energi når den er i "sult" modus, der tar du skammelig feil. En annen ting er at forskning viser at det er store mangler på data i forhold til konsekvensene av så mye fett inntak over tid. Som en diett har lavkarbo/keto helsemessig gevinst i det kortere løp, men mange har misforstått og gjort dette til en livsstil. Insulinresponsen er ikke alt, heller ikke vekta. Det henger sammen med andre prosesser i kroppen! 

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9 hours ago, AnonymBruker said:

Skal man foreta seg jevnbyrdige sammenligning  så må man faktisk forholde seg til gjennomsnittet.Nå handler det ikke om hva ditt inntrykk om hva folk tenker er sunnest,men du sa at folk bytter du ut kjøttet med brødskiver og som veganer gjennom 15 år kjenner jeg en god del andre veganere og har aldri hørt om noen som bytter ut kjøtt med brød.

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Jeg aner ikke om veganere flest spiser mye brød, men de fleste nordmenn gjør det, og mange av dem ser ut til å tro at at det er sunnere enn f.eks egg og kjøtt.

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AnonymBruker skrev (17 timer siden):

Jeg aner ikke om veganere flest spiser mye brød, men de fleste nordmenn gjør det, og mange av dem ser ut til å tro at at det er sunnere enn f.eks egg og kjøtt.

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Det handler ikke om hva som er sunnest, men heller om hvilke behov kroppen har. Blant annet har tarmene behov for fiber og hjernen karbohydrater - grove korn og karbohydrater fra sunne råvarer blant annet. Å rope ut om hva som er sunnest er misforstått. Egg er sunt, men alene i lengden er det ikke optimalt. 

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AnonymBruker skrev (2 timer siden):

Det handler ikke om hva som er sunnest, men heller om hvilke behov kroppen har. Blant annet har tarmene behov for fiber og hjernen karbohydrater - grove korn og karbohydrater fra sunne råvarer blant annet. Å rope ut om hva som er sunnest er misforstått. Egg er sunt, men alene i lengden er det ikke optimalt. 

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Vi trenger ikke fiber og faktisk har mange det bedre når de kutter det ut. Men gjør endringer sakte. Ikke gå fra lite til mye eller mye til lite fiber på kort tid. 

Hjernen får nok energi selv når man spiser 0 gram karbohydrater.

Så hvordan kan du påstå at vi trenger fiber og karbohydrater?

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AnonymBruker skrev (15 minutter siden):

Vi trenger ikke fiber og faktisk har mange det bedre når de kutter det ut. Men gjør endringer sakte. Ikke gå fra lite til mye eller mye til lite fiber på kort tid. 

Hjernen får nok energi selv når man spiser 0 gram karbohydrater.

Så hvordan kan du påstå at vi trenger fiber og karbohydrater?

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Nei, altså. Kanskje slutte å spre falske folkeopplysning og begynne å lese forskning 🙄

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AnonymBruker skrev (På 25.3.2022 den 20.32):

Vi har så vidt jeg vet ingenting grunn til å tro at våre forfedre slet med hverken betennelse, kreft, overvekt, diabetes, tette blodårer, karies eller andre moderne sykdommer, og de spiste nok heller et halvt kilo om dagen heller enn i uka.

Olivenolje er nok ikke så verst, det lager man ved å klemme en frukt. Rapsolje og sånt vil du nok miste lysten på hvis du ser hvordan det lages.

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Forfedrene våre slet ikke med dette. De døde av det.

Hvis vi hadde halvert snittalderen i Norge, ville vi også ha unngått å plages av sykdommene du nevner.

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AnonymBruker skrev (1 time siden):

Forfedrene våre slet ikke med dette. De døde av det.

Hvis vi hadde halvert snittalderen i Norge, ville vi også ha unngått å plages av sykdommene du nevner.

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Så du mener at det at de knapt har funnet tegn til disse livsstilsplagene hos våre fordums forfedre er fordi de døde av det? Har du kilde på dette?

Og hvis vi halverer snittalderen i den vestlige verden, så hadde vi fortsatt hatt mindre livsstilsplager enn de ser i eldre fossiler. Det er riktig at det blir verre jo lengre man spiser usunn mat.

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2 hours ago, AnonymBruker said:

Forfedrene våre slet ikke med dette. De døde av det.

Hvis vi hadde halvert snittalderen i Norge, ville vi også ha unngått å plages av sykdommene du nevner.

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Hva er grunnlaget ditt for å si at forfedrene våre døde av kreft og diabetes?

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AnonymBruker skrev (1 time siden):

Så du mener at det at de knapt har funnet tegn til disse livsstilsplagene hos våre fordums forfedre er fordi de døde av det? Har du kilde på dette?

Og hvis vi halverer snittalderen i den vestlige verden, så hadde vi fortsatt hatt mindre livsstilsplager enn de ser i eldre fossiler. Det er riktig at det blir verre jo lengre man spiser usunn mat.

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Hvor sunn er maten når den er produsert som kunstgjødsla, industrielle monokulturer?

Kunstgjødsel er kjemisk sammensatt for at plantene skal gi maksimal avling, ikke for at næringsinnholdet i plantene skal bli optimalt for mennesker. 

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