Bibelske og Islamske tekster, basert på leser formulering

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Har lest bibelen men sikkert mange som har gjort. Men jeg har lest Sunni Hadither også, iallfall 1-6. Og leser nå Ibn Kathir tafsir.

Og det som jeg finner interessant er hvordan den formulerer ting til leseren av hva lesern skal føle seg.

Bibelske tekster vil få lesern til å føle seg som en "Ondskapsfull diktator"

Og Islamske tekster vil få lesern til å føle seg som "en som dominerer/blir dominert og litt sadomasokisme"

 

Kan gi noen eksempler. Å straffe

Salomos ordspråk 23:13-14

https://no.bibelsite.com/proverbs/23-14.htm

"La ikke den unge være uten tukt! Når du slår ham med riset, skal han ikke dø. Du slår ham med riset, men du frelser hans sjel fra dødsriket.
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NIV som er mest korrekte oversettelsen av bibelen til engelsk

¹³ Do not withhold discipline from a child;
    if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
¹⁴ Punish them with the rod
    and save them from death.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+23%3A13-14&version=NIV

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Så der er et bibelsk eksempel på det.

Så har du Islamske tekster. Så kan jeg bruke eksempel på dominanse språk

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It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:

Ask me (about religious matters), but they (the Companions) were in awe of asking him. Then came a man, and sat near his knees and said: O Messenger of Allah, what is al-Islam? So he (the Holy Prophet) replied: [That] you do not associate anything with Allah, and establish the prayer, pay the alms (Zakat) and fast Ramadan. He said: You (have) told the truth. He said: Messenger of Allah, what is al-Iman (Faith)? He said: That you affirm your faith in Allah, His angels, His Books, His meeting, His Apostles, and that you believe in Resurrection and that you believe in Qadr (Divine Decree) in all its entirety. He (the inquirer) said: You have told the truth. He said: Messenger of Allah, what is al-Ihsan? Upon this he said: that you fear Allah as if you are seeing Him, and though you see Him not, verily He is seeing you. He (the inquirer) said: You (have) told the truth. He (the inquirer) said: When will the Hour (of Doom) occur? He said: The one who is being asked about it is no better informed than the inquirer and I will narrate some of its signs to you. When you see a [slave] woman giving birth to her master - then that is [one] of its signs. And when you see barefooted, naked, deaf and dumb (ignorant and foolish persons) as the rulers of the earth - then that is [one] of its signs. And when you see the shepherds of black (camels) exult in buildings - then that is [one] of its signs. The (Hour) is one of the five things of the unseen. No one knows them except Allah. Then (the Holy Prophet) recited (the folowing verse):" Verily Allah! with Him alone is the knowledge of the Hour and He it is Who sends down the rain and knows that which is in the wombs. And no soul knows what it shall earn on the morrow and a soul knows not in what land it shall die. Verily Allah is Knowing, Aware."

He (Abu Huraira) said: Then the person stood up (and made his way). Then the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Bring him back to me. He was searched for, but they could not find him. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) thereupon said: He was Gabriel and he wanted to teach you when you did not ask.

https://sunnah.com/muslim:10

 

Zirr reported:

'Ali observed: By Him Who split up the seed and created something living, the Apostle (may peace and blessings be upon him) gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me.

https://sunnah.com/muslim:78

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Så det handler litt om å bruke dominanse for å slå ned alt slags motargumenter du kan ha. Som at "Hvis du tenker slikt så er du slikt osv"

 

Sadomasochisme er mer å gi fra seg litt av sin egen identitet, innenfor det livet man lever. Altså å ydmyke og slikt. Kan gi et eksempel.

 

It was narrated that Ibrahim said:

"Abdullah used to say: 'May Allah curse the women who have tattoos done and Al-Mutanammisat, and have the women who have their teeth separated. Should I not curse those whom the Messenger of Allah [SAW] cursed?'"

Grade: Sahih

 

https://sunnah.com/nasai:5255

 

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Tror jeg har hørt at grunnen at damer liker tattoveringer på menn er litt av samme grunn som fugler i naturen har det. Eller er litt samme motsatt også, fordi man antar personen kanskje er kinky eller noe. Min teori rundt det. Men så vet jeg ikke om tattoveringer skaper kreft heller?

 

Uansett hva tror du om det. Utifra hva den vil få lesern til å føle seg. Så er dette mest logiske. Jeg liker å forstå psykologien i det så er interresant å lese.

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[AnonymBruker]

Jeg vil anbefale deg å lese historie i tillegg for å sette tekstene inn i en politisk, statsvitenskapelig og, som sagt, historisk, kontekst. Den tolkningen din er ikke helt innafor. Mulig du bør supplere med idéhistorie også. 

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[Gjest Older millennial]

Har ikke lest koranen, men har lest bibelen.

Jeg syns religion er veldig spennende, spesielt hvis du leser det ut ifra historisk kontekst. Las en bok som heter Seloten av Reza Aslan. Det var en interessant tolkning av Jesus og nytestamentet, men må tas med en klype salt😊