At what age are children released from Barnevernet?

[RSN]

10 years ago I worked as an engineer in a large Norwegian company. My children studied in a Norwegian school as well. One day the Barnevernet employees with police came and took my children away. I was deprived of parental rights and any contacts with my children. Then I was expelled from Norway, our apartment sold and bank account closed. Since then, I don't know anything about my children. Now the eldest son is 21, and the youngest is 19, but I still do not have any information on them. My question is simple: at what age are children released from Barnevernet?

[AnonymBruker]

In Norway you become an adult, responsible for yourself,  when you are 18 years old. 

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[RSN]

Thanks for the answer I believe that is true for ordinary children, but some Barnevernet reports contain data of up to 23 years old children. That is the question why my children are still held within the Barnevernet system and what is the max age they might be there. 

[AnonymBruker]

They can get help from barnevernet until the age of 23 maybe, but they are not "held within" by any means after age 18. Thet don't take children without reason, so I guess you have wronged your children bigtime if they don't want to contact you.

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[AnonymBruker]

Barnevernet stops having responsibility for the children when they turn 18. Some children need further help to stabilize their lives and then Barnevernet can help them until they turn 23. But it is only when the children themselves ask for this help. 

How do you know that your children are still receiving help from Barnevernet? If it is the case and they are after 18, it is because they themselves wanted this help. If you have contact information for them, you are free to contact them. They are over 18 and can do whatever they want. Maybe they want to contact you, too?

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[AnonymBruker]

You’re an adult when you’re 18. If they’re still with the system, it’s because they wanted to. You get a choice if you want to receive further help from you’re 18-23, I signed a paper myself. Often this time is very difficult with facing adulthood but not really being an adult. I’m not sure how to contact them if they have wanted to sign for follow ups from BV, but they’re adults and should be able to contact you if you send them your contact information.

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[AnonymBruker]

AnonymBruker skrev (4 timer siden):

They can get help from barnevernet until the age of 23 maybe, but they are not "held within" by any means after age 18. Thet don't take children without reason, so I guess you have wronged your children bigtime if they don't want to contact you.

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Man vet allerede mye om store feil som er begått når det gjelder saker med utenlandske arbeidere. Barneoppdragelse i andre land kan være noe annet enn her, og hvordan skal de vite at kjefting, husarrest og timeout og den typen oppdragelse ikke er positivt i Norge når det ikke akkurat er noe som følger med av info når man får visum? Eller at det faktisk ikke er greit å gi ris til barn i Norge, noe som er helt vanlig i andre land i verden. Jeg har selvsagt nulltoleranse for vold mot barn, men barnevernet burde brukt mye mer tid på veiledning. I USA og i Øst-Europa er det helt vanlig å slå barn, det er til og med tillatt at elever blir slått på skolene av lærerne. Det blir umulig å vite at det ikke er greit her i Norge når man har vokst opp med det og det er et så strukturelt problem.

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[AnonymBruker]

AnonymBruker skrev (14 minutter siden):

I USA og i Øst-Europa er det helt vanlig å slå barn, det er til og med tillatt at elever blir slått på skolene av lærerne. 

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For å si det sånn så er det i Norge "tillatt" at elever slår lærere uten at elever for noe konsekvenser for det en noen samtaler med ett eller annet ansvarlig.

Rich country who try so hard to be righteous but fails in every step.

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[AnonymBruker]

AnonymBruker skrev (27 minutter siden):

For å si det sånn så er det i Norge "tillatt" at elever slår lærere uten at elever for noe konsekvenser for det en noen samtaler med ett eller annet ansvarlig.

Rich country who try so hard to be righteous but fails in every step.

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Hva mener du å si med dette? At noen få elever slår lærere vil aldri gjøre det greit at barn blir slått.
Barn tar skade av vold uansett hvilket land foreldrene er født i. 

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[AnonymBruker]

7 hours ago, RSN said:

One day the Barnevernet employees with police came and took my children away. I was deprived of parental rights and any contacts with my children.

Just out of the blue right, without explanation and without you having done anything wrong?

They are "released" when they're 18, but no, they're not in prison, so released is the wrong word. The reports you've seen are a result of BV caring for the children longer than stricly needed, because the children would like to live at home (with the foster families) also after they've become adults in the eyes of the law.

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[AnonymBruker]

RSN skrev (7 timer siden):

Thanks for the answer I believe that is true for ordinary children, but some Barnevernet reports contain data of up to 23 years old children. That is the question why my children are still held within the Barnevernet system and what is the max age they might be there. 

They can get help - but have the full right to decide where to live/what to do.

So if you haven’ t heard anything from your kids chances are that they maybe don’ t want to contact you. 

«Released» is not a correct term - they are not in prison and they have the same rights and freedom as everyone else. 

If they live on secret adress etc it is of their on will. 

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[AnonymBruker]

I don’t really buy your story. Firstly, even though your kids were taken fram school, there would need to be a court case for barnevernet to «keep them». And unless you molested them, you have visitation rights, even if you live abroad, travel paid for by barnevernet. Every year you can also «apply» to have your kids back, and if barnevernet disagrees with your application, there would be a new court case. 

At 18 the kids can choose for themselves wether they want aftercare or terminate help from barnevernet. 

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[AnonymBruker]

Aren't you in contact with your embassy/consulate in Norway, and BUFDIR?

https://www.regjeringen.no/en/dokumenter/q-422015-guidelines-for-processing-child-welfare-cases-where-children-have-ties-to-other-countries/id2467847/

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5 hours ago, AnonymBruker said:

Barneoppdragelse i andre land kan være noe annet enn her, og hvordan skal de vite at kjefting, husarrest og timeout og den typen oppdragelse ikke er positivt i Norge når det ikke akkurat er noe som følger med av info når man får visum?

Man får ikke veiledning om at det er ulovlig å bryte fartsgrensen, stjele, slå ned eller drive svindel heller, men dette er likefult ulovlig i Norge.

Jeg er helt for veiledning, men det at man er vant til noe annet fritar ikke fra lover. 

For the author of the thread: the children are adults at 18, but may get care and support from barnevernet if they want until 23. This may include help finding a place to live, some financial support and other things that are design to help. This is not a punishment.

[Chantielle]

Tråden er ryddet for spekulasjoner,avsporinger,samt svar til dette.

Chantielle mod.

[AnonymBruker]

AnonymBruker skrev (12 timer siden):

They can get help from barnevernet until the age of 23 maybe, but they are not "held within" by any means after age 18. Thet don't take children without reason, so I guess you have wronged your children bigtime if they don't want to contact you.

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...Or barnevernet has made the children think so. This happens a lot. Hundreds of children are removed every year without a reason or for a false, made-up reason. This almost happened to my family, but luckily we were always one step ahead of the Norwegian authorities.

The whole situation is of course completely absurd and insane. You come to Norway to work, have children, and then bv decides to take them and you are kicked out of the country. Human trafficking at its best.

 

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[AnonymBruker]

AnonymBruker skrev (3 timer siden):

I don’t really buy your story. Firstly, even though your kids were taken fram school, there would need to be a court case for barnevernet to «keep them». And unless you molested them, you have visitation rights, even if you live abroad, travel paid for by barnevernet. Every year you can also «apply» to have your kids back, and if barnevernet disagrees with your application, there would be a new court case. 

At 18 the kids can choose for themselves wether they want aftercare or terminate help from barnevernet. 

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Not exactly true. Many asylum seekers have lost their children in Norway and then had their asylum applications rejected. What follows is they are kicked out of the country for good.

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[RSN]

Many thanks for the wide discussion regarding my issue. The reasons the Barnevernet withdrew my children completely ridiculous and didn’t have any ground. During 3 years my stay in Norway the Barnevernet employees regularly met with me in school trying to find any proof of violence or threat of violence against children. At the beginning I guessed their intentions were to help us to integrate children into local society, but later they started accusing me of violating parenting rules. The root case was when my youngest lost his mobile phone and a class teacher reported the Barnevernet on «severe punishment» as he was forbidden to leave the home while weekend. The Police came to me and brought me to the police station where I was arrested for 3 days as it was late Friday.

The children were placed in a foster home at once. I was an easy prey at the moment as my wife left country for a while and her visa was immediately cancelled. Later I was released without any accusations, but children not. My daglig leder received a call from the police and I was fired within a couple of days, the company had to pay all the fees according job agreement including dismissal allowance. The Fylkesnemndene court forbade any contacts by any means for me with children and children between themselves, the next trial deprived me of parental rights. Children were placed in separate «secret» locations and obviously do not know any information regarding each other as well.

Then my residence card was canceled and I was placed in the temporal prison within the local police station and one day two police employees transported me in the country of origin. With expelling I lost any means to apply for juridical help and no one in Barnevernet answered anymore.

[AnonymBruker]

RSN skrev (11 minutter siden):

Many thanks for the wide discussion regarding my issue. The reasons the Barnevernet withdrew my children completely ridiculous and didn’t have any ground. During 3 years my stay in Norway the Barnevernet employees regularly met with me in school trying to find any proof of violence or threat of violence against children. At the beginning I guessed their intentions were to help us to integrate children into local society, but later they started accusing me of violating parenting rules. The root case was when my youngest lost his mobile phone and a class teacher reported the Barnevernet on «severe punishment» as he was forbidden to leave the home while weekend. The Police came to me and brought me to the police station where I was arrested for 3 days as it was late Friday.

The children were placed in a foster home at once. I was an easy prey at the moment as my wife left country for a while and her visa was immediately cancelled. Later I was released without any accusations, but children not. My daglig leder received a call from the police and I was fired within a couple of days, the company had to pay all the fees according job agreement including dismissal allowance. The Fylkesnemndene court forbade any contacts by any means for me with children and children between themselves, the next trial deprived me of parental rights. Children were placed in separate «secret» locations and obviously do not know any information regarding each other as well.

Then my residence card was canceled and I was placed in the temporal prison within the local police station and one day two police employees transported me in the country of origin. With expelling I lost any means to apply for juridical help and no one in Barnevernet answered anymore.

Very serious human rights violations of both the parents and the children. But the thing is that Norwegians don't give a damn. In their arrogance, ignorance and evil coldness they think their system is just fucking fantastic. And you as a foreign man are by default a violent chauvinist in the eyes of the majority of Norwegians, Norwegian authorities included. I am speaking from my own experience. Moving to Norway was the biggest mistake I ever made in my life. But luckily they didn't manage to steal my children into their child business, and they are now living happy lives far away from Norway, and in a more loving and child-friendly culture.

Good luck to you.

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[AnonymBruker]

RSN skrev (13 timer siden):

Thanks for the answer I believe that is true for ordinary children, but some Barnevernet reports contain data of up to 23 years old children. That is the question why my children are still held within the Barnevernet system and what is the max age they might be there. 

I was under the care of barnevernet until I was 22 because I needed help finding a place to live, getting furniture and supplies and just someone to lean on and turn to until I found my footing. But i was legally allowed to do whatever I wanted after I turned 18. My parent live in a different country but we've been in contact regularly since I was a kid. Barnevernet organized visitations and I was allowed to visit her on holidays, and she came to visit me here several times. 

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